Rob and Arnie have appropriately apologized.

I have just finished listening to the show linked at http://www.robarnieanddawn.com/ to discover whether they were futzing a pseudo-apology, or were trying but hadn't understood, or had actually gotten it.

Dawn, of course, had "gotten it" from the git-go.

They were really sorry. They learned about respect. They discovered and accepted the link between mockery and violence. They learned about being trapped in an inappropriate body (which, O My Gods, I have been watching surgeons attempting to correct with young Indian Lakshmi, and the "Elephant Man of China," and no one complained there!) and the internal and external stresses this causes.

They were accused of buckling to public opinion, and accused of buckling to their advertisers. They met those accusations with dignity and appropriate responses.

They pointed out the difference between [my words] caving and understanding.

And, most importantly, they stated clearly their formal and gross opposition to any harm to any child, physical, emotional, or verbal, and apol - no, not apologized. Groveled in dismay for having [their word] stupidly and ignorantly promoted such harm.

And at least one caller, poised to accuse them of buckling, had to listen to enough of their guests - one transgendered person and one mother of a transgendered person - that by the time they were ready to hear him, he had humbled his heart and offered an apology of his own.

It's worth examining them for yourselves. The links to the .mp3 files are:
http://www.robarnieanddawn.com/audiofiles/06.11.09%2001%20Hour%20One%20Of%20Transgender%20Response.mp3
http://www.robarnieanddawn.com/audiofiles/06.11.09%2002%20Hour%20Two%20Of%20Transgender%20Response.mp3
http://www.robarnieanddawn.com/audiofiles/06.11.09%2003%20Final%20Part%20Of%20Transgender%20Response.mp3